The conversation
examined how conflict, energy supply and shifting alliances are reshaping the
global economy. Henning’s central assessment was that short-term commercial
gains from disruption can coexist with lasting strategic costs. He saw elevated
financial risks, growing Chinese industrial strength and a need for Europe to
act more independently.
The questions below are paraphrased for
readability. Forecasts and political assessments are presented as expressed
during the discussion.
• US
energy policy is intended to expand production and influence. Henning argued
that the benefits accruing to some energy companies must be weighed against
higher consumer prices, military commitments and damage to relations with
allies.
• The
Iran conflict has become a wider regional crisis. In Henning’s assessment,
expectations of a short campaign gave way to a cycle of retaliation that made
disengagement increasingly difficult.
•
Henning stated that Eurasia Group assigns a 70% probability to a
recessionary financial crisis in the European Union and/or the United States
before 2030. He stressed that the precise timing and trigger remain unpredictable.
•
Henning expects the rupture in the international order to endure beyond
the current US administration. He forecast that China will be the dominant
global power in industrial capacity and growth technologies by 2035.
•
Trade is being reorganised through technology, regulation and new
partnerships. Henning expects the strongest growth over the next five to ten
years to come from relationships among countries outside the US–China bilateral
axis.
•
Europe retains meaningful economic and strategic influence despite high
energy costs and security pressures. Henning was also positive on South
America’s resources, energy supply and agricultural export capacity.
Henning Gloystein is Managing Director for Energy, Climate &
Resources at Eurasia Group, which he joined in 2019. Based in London, he
previously served as Reuters’ Asia energy editor and deputy editor in charge of
Asian commodities. Earlier, he led Reuters’ European power, gas and coal
coverage and Platts’ European power pricing team in London. He spent seven
years in Singapore before returning to London in 2021.
What has the United States gained from the
conflicts in Ukraine and Iran, particularly in energy markets, and how do those
gains compare with the costs?
Asked by Stefano Grasso
Henning described the US energy-dominance
agenda as an effort to expand domestic oil and gas production and strengthen
American influence across global supply chains. He linked this approach to
Energy Secretary Chris Wright’s views on the strategic importance of
hydrocarbons, including those set out in Liberty Energy’s 2024 report Bettering
Human Lives, published while Wright was its chief executive.
In Henning’s interpretation, the intended
bargain with US energy companies is greater production and market access in
exchange for accepting lower prices. Expanding the role of American oil and gas
in other countries’ economies could also sustain demand for hydrocarbons beyond
their stated energy-transition timelines. He cited Venezuela and Guyana as
important examples of the commercial and strategic interests involved.
The results of conflict, however, can
diverge from those intentions. Henning argued that supply disruptions have
created substantial opportunities for US energy exporters while leaving
consumers exposed to high fuel prices. US crude production of about 14 million
barrels per day does not eliminate that exposure. Refineries can process
domestic light crude, but many complex plants are configured for blends that
also include heavier imported grades; product yields and global supply
shortages still matter for diesel availability.
Follow-up question Were high prices the intended outcome, or an
unintended consequence subsequently exploited?
Henning regarded the outcome as largely
unintended. He argued that the Iran campaign had been expected to be brief and
ultimately to make more Iranian oil available at lower prices. Instead,
prolonged disruption had raised costs and increased the political pressure to
bring fuel prices down. The United States had temporarily authorised imports of
Russian-origin diesel, a measure he viewed as an attempt to ease domestic
supply pressures.
His central distinction was between
commercial gains for individual companies and the broader national balance of
costs and benefits. He judged the longer-term damage to US credibility,
relationships with allies and strategic flexibility to be substantial.
Why did the Iran conflict escalate beyond
expectations, and why did the United States remain engaged after the initial
strikes?
Asked by Stefano Grasso
Henning argued that the early expectation
of a short campaign underestimated both Iran’s capacity to retaliate and the
difficulty of controlling escalation. Strikes spread across the Gulf and
affected energy infrastructure, shipping and regional security. Each response
created pressure for a further response, making it harder for either side to
accept the last attack without retaliating.
He also emphasised that the conflict was
being shaped by several actors with their own objectives. Israeli actions,
Iranian retaliation and Houthi involvement extended the crisis beyond the
original US–Iran confrontation. This helps explain why a military operation
initially conceived in narrow terms developed into a much wider regional
conflict.
Follow-up question Was there an opportunity to declare the
initial objectives achieved and disengage?
Henning’s assessment was that the intensity
and geographic spread of retaliation had rapidly narrowed that opportunity. The
security of partners and infrastructure across the Gulf became part of the
escalation cycle, increasing the cost of both continued involvement and
withdrawal.
Regional security commitments have also
broadened. The discussion covered British air-defence deployments, French
support for Saudi energy infrastructure, and Türkiye’s defence alliance with
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. These are distinct national and regional
arrangements. The EU’s EUNAVFOR ASPIDES mission contributes to maritime
security. Henning suggested that the crisis could ultimately mark a lasting
reduction in US influence in the Middle East, drawing an analogy with the
consequences of the Suez crisis for Britain and France.
Why does President Trump continue to support
Prime Minister Netanyahu despite the costs of the conflict and divisions within
the US electorate?
Asked by Stefano Grasso
Henning pointed to ideological affinities
between the current US and Israeli leaderships, particularly their shared
hostility towards Iran’s leadership and their nationalist political outlook. He
also described the importance of regional diplomatic and commercial
relationships linking the United States, Israel and Gulf states.
Stefano questioned how this alignment fits
with changing attitudes among younger Republican voters and with Washington’s
approach to Russia. Henning’s response focused on the political importance of
maintaining a disciplined core of supporters. In his assessment, a cohesive
electoral base can sustain a policy even when it lacks broad consensus across
the electorate.
Henning characterised the administration’s
approach as transactional, with individual relationships and specific
agreements carrying considerable weight. This can produce policy choices that
appear inconsistent when viewed through the traditional framework of fixed
alliances and rivalries.
How can the United States accommodate Russia
while confronting Iran, given the relationships between those countries and
their regional partners?
Asked by an audience member
Henning argued that the familiar
assumptions governing international relations have become less reliable. He
referred to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney’s description of a rupture in
the world order and suggested that established expectations about US support
for Europe and Gulf partners, or its approach to Russia and China, should no
longer be taken for granted.
He considered a major US agreement with
China and Russia that sidelines European interests plausible within the
following eighteen months. His wider point was that governments are already
responding to diminished confidence in old arrangements by building additional
trade and security relationships.
Europe’s trade initiatives provide examples
of this response. The EU–Mercosur interim trade agreement began applying
provisionally in May 2026, and negotiations with India and Australia concluded
earlier in the year. Canada is deepening its strategic and defence cooperation
with Europe. Henning also highlighted the search by Gulf countries for a
broader range of security partners.
Follow-up question Could a future US administration restore the
previous international order?
Henning expected a future administration to
be more accommodating towards Europe and potentially more cautious about China.
Nevertheless, he did not expect a return to the previous order. In his view,
too much trust has been lost and too many alternative arrangements have been
established. Those structural changes are likely to outlast the political
circumstances that prompted them.
Do high energy costs, inflation, sovereign
borrowing and AI-related debt point towards a major financial crisis?
Asked by Alessandro Santo
Alessandro raised the cumulative pressure
created by energy prices, borrowing costs and rising debt. Henning agreed with
the concern and stated that Eurasia Group assigns a 70% probability to a
recessionary financial crisis in the European Union and/or the United States
before 2030.
He emphasised that identifying
vulnerabilities is easier than forecasting the moment at which they become a
crisis. The trigger can be an unexpected event that exposes weaknesses already
present in balance sheets, markets or public finances.
The scenarios discussed included fiscal and
financing pressures in France and the United Kingdom, a reversal in AI-related
financing or disruption in US government funding, and defaults among Chinese
local governments or entities associated with them. Henning’s broader concern
was the accumulation of public and private debt across several major economies
at the same time.
Are investment flows dividing into a
US-oriented South America and a China-oriented Southeast Asia, and will those
regions become competing spheres of influence?
Asked by an audience member
Henning questioned the usefulness of a
simple geographic division. China has a substantial presence in South America,
Europe is expanding its relationship with Mercosur, and Japan remains an
important investor in Southeast Asia. Companies and governments therefore face
a more complex set of relationships than two neatly separated economic blocs.
He saw technology, regulation and
environmental standards as increasingly important dividing lines. Disagreement
over proposed international shipping-emissions rules was one example of how
competing standards can affect trade and investment decisions.
Over the next five to ten years, Henning
expected the strongest trade growth to come from relationships among other
major and emerging economies: trade between developing countries, Europe’s
links with the Global South, Japan’s ties to Southeast Asia, and India’s
expanding international relationships. Europe’s high exposure to international
trade helps explain its active pursuit of new agreements.
The discussion then turned to Henning’s
positive view of South America. He highlighted the combination of critical
minerals, domestic clean energy, oil and gas resources, and agricultural
exports. Brazil’s position as one of the world’s leading agricultural exporters
reinforces the region’s role in global food supply.
Henning’s optimism rested primarily on
these structural advantages rather than on a particular political leadership.
Participants also distinguished short-term market reactions to politics from
longer-term economic strengths. He considered the region relatively less
exposed to the main geopolitical conflicts discussed during the call.
Could closer US ties with Russia weaken
Europe’s competitive position while creating a counterweight to China?
Asked by an audience member
The question proposed a traditional
balance-of-power interpretation of US policy. Henning acknowledged that some
political circles view closer relations with Russia and greater fragmentation
within Europe as potentially advantageous to the United States. He rejected the
underlying strategic logic.
In his assessment, a Europe closely aligned
with the United States has historically provided substantial economic and
security benefits to America. Dealing with a fragmented Europe might make
individual negotiations easier, but would weaken a valuable partner. He also
doubted that Russia could become a sufficiently strong counterweight to China,
or that Washington could separate the two countries given the depth of their
relationship.
Henning forecast that China would emerge by
2035 as the dominant global power in industrial capacity and growth
technologies. He emphasised the scale of Chinese manufacturing and its ability
to expand or replace industrial and military output. His argument was that this
capacity would be difficult for US diplomatic manoeuvring to offset.
He therefore expected the attempt to
rearrange these relationships to carry a significant cost in lost trust without
delivering the intended strategic advantage.
With high energy costs and dependence on
imported LNG, is Europe losing strategic relevance, or does it still have
meaningful options?
Asked by Stefano Grasso
Stefano framed the closing question around
European gas prices of approximately €100 per megawatt-hour, reliance on US LNG
and the wider pressure on Europe’s industrial competitiveness and security.
Henning acknowledged those challenges but
remained cautiously optimistic. He argued that the attention other powers
devote to Europe, and their interest in access to its markets and partnerships,
demonstrate its continuing importance. Trade relationships with India and
Mercosur, Gulf investment, and China’s interest in avoiding a comprehensive
trade confrontation with the EU were examples cited in the discussion.
He identified the rule of law,
infrastructure, intellectual-property protections and quality of life as
enduring strengths. He also pointed to encouraging economic signals in Germany,
Britain and Spain, while recognising the pressure on European public finances.
His closing assessment was that Europe has
more economic substance and capacity to act than its own debate often
acknowledges. Expanding trade partnerships and greater responsibility for
defence give it practical ways to respond to a less predictable international
environment.
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